What if Akira Toriyama thought of DBS during GT? Also since he wrote the story for Dragonball Xenoverse and created Demigra also and added all of GT and Broly and the other stuff in this game into HIS story that now makes them canon based off what you said. fans of the Dragonball series sees Dragonball GT as a horrible addition to the franchise. GT is the present DB(Z) world/timeline/dimension[/the Seventh Universe].. all 'side-stories' are apart of the Seventh known Dragon Ball (Z/GT) Universe - but one must comprehend that DB(Z/GT) is multi-dimensional[/MultiUniversal], with various sub-alternate timelines/dimensions within the same Universe. However, it is still possible DBGT could be canon. Until Akira Toriyama and/or Toei actually state GT not being "official" with the anime, this is what I'm sticking to. Toriyama wrote one and didn't write the other. It's canon depending on how much you like DBZ, and how well you know the characters, It is canon and non canon at the same time, and is a sequel, but not a main series. It seems like the people who made the newest Dragon Ball movies remembered everything that was in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z but then just skipped over GT. You have to remember that we technically haven't hit the last episode of Z yet. Ever wonder What Are Your Thoughts? ..saying GT is ‘canon’ is basically saying that the anime fillers, along with the specials + movies, are also ‘canon’.. [ http://25.media.tumblr.com/2667b695503fe38595077dd7c090a2ad/tumblr_ml9r6na6Vt1qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg ], http://25.media.tumblr.com/9fe8e074feea2eb146a69aa23a9bab7f/tumblr_mkt498YZp81qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg. I think the remaining 11 universes are entirely different. It would be the equivilant of a "Straight-to-Video" Movie from a comic (IE Batman). Personally, I believe it's canon. Goku fights nothing like how he did in the canon story. Dragon Ball GT was an anime created by the makers of the DBZ anime, supervised, strictly overseen, and designed by Akira Toriyama. Therefore GT is bunk. I don't think who created it really has anything to do with it's level of canon. Not documenting Super at all in articles in favor of the movies isn't an option either, because that contradicts the wiki's purpose. All rights reserved. Also super saiyan god is any level of super saiyan transformation above super saiyan 3 and super saiyan 4 is obviously above super saiyan 3. The events of DBGT are not discussed in DBO. Bardock obtains a tremendous amount of energy, formed into waves flowing through his body, and with his might, he turns into the almighty Super Saiyan. The whole movie basically takes a dumb all over GT making Gt non cannon. (insert source here). Let's Give This Video OVER 500 Likes! Hereby another proof that GT is canon is in the movie Dragon Ball Z: Battle Of Gods. But timeline-wise they don't clash at all. The fillers in the 90's series weren't canon because they weren't based on Akira Toriyama's ideas. Wether or not the movie is canon is POV and up to the reader, not us. Nothing anyone can say is going to change my mind. In a player-controlled game, the players will control the outcome of the game. The original creater made the series, so Yes. Maybe your Canon printer isn’t connected to the network, or perhaps the network speed is slow, that is why your Canon Printer is not responding. Yes it does make it canon according to the creator Akira Toriyama. But the point is, that as the creator and writer, DB is his baby, and he is proud of it, and part of his pride is to take in only the stuff that he created, leaving gt outside. Dragon Ball GT isn’t the most popular addition to the franchise, but its introduction of Super Saiyan 4 is a major turning point to the series. for a short second, Bardock's anger causes him to see Chilled as Frieza, remembering his betrayal of the Saiyan race, and he becomes determined to avenge his crew and his newly found friend. Yamcha626TalkContribs 02:29, January 10, 2012 (UTC), I like to think that it's canon to the anime and not the manga. We only received the title, and so weren’t sure what it meant,” the producer revealed. No room for interpretation. That's because Dragon Ball GT isn't official canon in the overarching Dragon Ball world or story. Dragonball GT was not based on the Dragonball manga nor it was created by Akira Toriyama therefore, it should be regarded as non-canon just like all the Dragonball/Z movies. And so DBO is canonical with the manga. Having Toriyama come out and say what's "canon" would not be a very good idea. Yeah. People will also say: Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan God SS aren't mentioned in Dragon Ball Z. The inconsistencies usually come from filler vs story, for example Master Roshi's young appearance is contradicted between story and filler, or in DBZ when Tien, Yamucha, Kuririn, and Chaozu were sent back in time to fight Saiyans from a 100 years ago, that directly contradicts the story of the Saiyan war (as shown on the list you posted). It's only in non canon non Toriyama approved trash anime filler garbage. Because of DBO, which Akira Toriyama did work on. No matter how much haters moan and whine about it, it is set about 7 years after the final episode of Z, when Pan debuts. I mean that the Story of  Dragon Ball can end by Dragon Ball Z, or by Dragon Ball GT. GT is anime canon, it's author is Toriyama, so how can it not be canon? Of course he tried ending the series many times, most notably in the end of the Frieza saga, until he finally had his wish while finishing the Majin Boo saga. GT is just as canon as the movies. It is a minor series, which was created by Toei Animation. But keeping perspective, it's not as bad as Goku being a whiny emo kid that goes to highschool, it's not the worst thing ever. The creator is credited as the author in the anime’s credits, and Toriyama even drew sketches for the show to promote its biggest moments. Some people prefer to think of it as just a long fanfic or a "what-if" doujinshi that was adapted into an anime - Jcdizon416 21:01, August 20, 2011 (UTC), You can go to the Dragon Ball GT page for this one. If it doesn't come from the creator himself then it's not canon. Yes, you can also call it a "spinoff" of the official Dragon Ball Series. A scientific basis for this could be that since both Vegeta and Goku married humans, the trait became recessive, and Gohan just so happened to have inherited it, while Trunks, Goten and Bulla didn't grow them. It's more of an alternate "what if?" What if it's a sub-alternate reality apart from the other 12 universes created by Majin Buu's universe rift, then somehow scooped up by Trunks's time machine, then sealed away by Babidi's magic spell, then cast into the dead zone, then blown up by Bio Broly, then wished back with the dragon balls to be a universe of it's own by Frieza, Cell, Goku, Vegeta, Bardok, Shenron and Puar while they were all fighting over the dragon balls and someone said the wrong words? GT is worth watching, but I would use english dub and english subtitles. Not even a single fusion from Trunks and Goten as adults, also disappointing. Yes, Non Canon! In saying that, there is no saying that they could not have regathered the dragon balls and whished to be returned to their original age. Since a lot a DBZ has non-manga based footage, that would mean a good chunk of it is non-canon, by your standards? It is impossible for DBO to be fully canon, despite how much Akira Toriyama worked on it. But even then, Vegeta killed Nappa, Recoome and Burter, Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe had a large assist against Vegeta, Trunks killed Frieza, and the people of Earth and the Z-fighters gave the energy for him to beat Kid Buu with a Spirit Bomb. Toriyama has had positive feelings towards the series, drawing many pictures for it, including his version of Super Saiyan 4 for the Dragon Box GT. toriyama was asked how strong was goku at the end of GT in 100 years later… He said that gt was just a fantasy, not real, didnt count. In regards to inconsistencies, GT has the least amount of inconsistencies of all three series http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Inconsistencies. Because Battle of Gods was awesome and GT wasn't. It's even less canon than that as actual canon contradicts it so its minus canon. (with Baby as the exception, even though most of the battle was on a planet and still unbelievable). When Movie 6 came along, both Goku and Gohan should've been in their Full Power Super Saiyan transformations during their 10-day wait for the Cell Games. The Z anime is canon to GT, while the manga is canon to Super. DGT is canon in the ANIME timeline. Pan did play some important roles, however, but the absence of Goten, Trunks, Gohan, Pan, Bulla (who was half saiyan, but never fought at all) and even Vegeta to a lesser extent as being stronger and more involved in the fighting and better at fighting was disappointing. Akira Toriyama was asked by an interviewer that if GT is canon for the relativity of the plot ( like when Akira mentioned that Super Saiyan God would be more powerful than Super Saiyan 4 but in GT is told that Super Saiyan 4 has the highest power level of all Super Saiyan transformations, but Super Saiyan God is told to be the strongest). However, Battle of Gods (which was stated to be canon) introduces Super Saiyan God, making this form the true successor of super saiyan 3, not super saiyan 4 anymore. Because GT wasn’t adapted from the manga of creator Akira Toriyama, however, it isn't considered canon. With Super taking place within the ten-year time jump after the end of Dragon Ball Z, the possibility remains that GT could still be considered canon so here's an overview of the divisive series as we figure out if the events of Super contradict GT and seal … When Movie 5 happened, Goku should've still been on Yardrat recovering and learning the Instant Transmission. So they're still entirely separate stories. What was put out there was whatever they perceived the fans wanted. GT is canon, but it's one of those situations where Toriyama was done with the series, but tried to force himself to do more. SSBE and SSBKK aren't in anything Toriyama has done. The existence of Dragon Ball Super introduces Super Saiyan God to follow Super Saiyan 3, but Super Saiyan 4 is never addressed. If you are an anime enthusiast, then it IS canon. Toriyama worked on Dragonball Online, which, applying your logic, means it is canon. May 1, 2019 | 6 min read. Ya think? Meshack (talk) 23:05, May 10, 2015 (UTC), It's canon to the anime but not to the manga and the manga is what everything is supposed to be based off. … Manga Universe - The highest level of canon. Toriyama didn't even write it. Let's say DBO exists years after GT. Like the Garlic Jr. filler episodes, consider GT is a full filler just taking parts of the official source. Not how much you like it. According to the dictionarry, Canon is "the conceptual material accepted as "official" ". GT isn't canon, it's long been confirmed and accepted as such. I mean, it was the canon ending of Z before Super came. Dragon Ball GT may seem to be like a main series, but it is not actually main. Via ComicBook.com. That's why they're peddling these out before GT Goku, plus they want to capitalize on the movie just being released and doing very well in Japan. It's not in the manga or the movies. Does not make sense. So Toriyama did have some connections to GT. However, will I judge anyone who thinks otherwise; probably... maybe a little, but that doesn't make me unequivocally correct. Isn't it possible that DBGT is in an alternate universe or if the movie setting IS in an alternate universe. By Megan Peters On Dragon Ball - General, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Do you consider GT canon or non-canon?" It was there Morishita was asked about how involved Toriyama was with the anime, and Morishita said the artist gave simple outlines to the show’s team. We interpreted it as “Grand Touring”, to convey the concept of a road movie type of plot.”. Dragon Ball GT has been cancelled out canon when Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' came out (which are canon). 537073746. By this time, Toriyama had become tired of drawing DBZ and had reached the end of his desire to do it which led to a reduced role, but he still authored it and had significant input into the story. >> Anonymous 12/20/20(Sun)10:35:11 No. They both feature a Saiyan form called Super Saiyan God which GT does not mention or seen. :+), [サイヤ人(Saiya-jin)s RagingSouls are typically fueled by their natural barbaric サイヤ人 ruthless self-ambitions, a clear example being Vegeta, before successfully transforming into a 超サイヤ人 - the young サイヤ人 Prince hated Frieza & the entire Planet Trade Organization, & thought of himself as 'the strongest warrior in the universe', being the 'super-elite' he was/that he came from a Royal サイヤ人* bloodline. That isn't to say we can't use the term when describing things, or debating things, but it's still largely a fanmade concept for the series. If your gonna watch it, watch the remastered uncut version. Zorn88 says. 71.197.172.107 11:48, January 12, 2012 (UTC). And Vegeta should've been an Ascended Super Saiyan. It is a little known fact that Akira Toriyama himself drew GT Trunks, GT Goku, and GT Pan, as well as their space ship and (I think it said this) Giru. Anonymous 12/20/20(Sun)10:35:11 No. Then ya got your GT. It's impossible, as he's still clearly evil in GT and since he shouldn't exist, the series itself shouldn't exist. Battle of the Gods made this argument a little problematic, as the Pilaf gand used the dragon balls to make themselves kid again by accident, which technically makes it impossible for them to be old people in GT. In the new movie, it is revealed that there are 12 universes. It's nowhere close to DBZ, though. You can think of GT as fan fiction. GT is on the same level of canon as filler. Though a loud minority of fans seem to think it is not part of the series, this is not actually the case. It just shows Goku Jr. being a big wussy crybaby for the majority of the series and he didn't even know how to fly (Pan should have taught him that at the very least) and had no control over his power, much like Gohan when he was a child. 15 Is It Canon? Tarble is canon too, according to Toriyama. Surely we'll get more Super and Z characters later. Or who the hell Jaco is. The new movie Battle Of Gods was stated to be cannon by Toriyama. future. He must be from the new movie. - November 27, 2017 07:40 pm EST. Giru was a nice touch, but they could have made Pan stronger. It would be the equivilant of a "Straight-to-Video" Movie from a comic (IE Batman). I read that Toriyama never had a female super saiyan because he couldn't figure out how she would look which seems kind of silly to me. If his involvement in a project makes it part of the main canon, this creates problems as Online and GT contain/lack things that make the other impossible, the most glaring problems almost all include Majin Buu (the year Buu creates Mrs. Buu in DBO after the 30th World Martial Arts Tournament is also the same year Majuub throws a match against Mr. Satan at the 31st World Martial Arts Tournament (figure that out!!)). Technically they could make GT be canon. is always flawed. >> Anonymous 12/20/20(Sun)10:35:48 No. Why don't we? It is probably part of the GT timeline. The story for the game Dragon Ball Online, is written by akira toriyama and it disregards everything that happened in dragon ball GT. The artist hasn’t ever come out to say what is and isn’t canon for Dragon Ball, but Toriyama did lend his voice to Dragon Ball GT during its formation. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! & in the manga/canon "Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock", Bardock transfoms into a  超サイヤ人 after his newly found friend Berry leaps forward, protecting Bardock from Chilled's finishing blow, in an act of courage to save him. Akira Toriyama was only an art consultant, and had nothing to do with the story. Unlike super he's writing super so that makes it canon. Sandubadear (talk) 01:23, March 25, 2013 (UTC). His heart just wasn't in it anymore, that's really what it came down to IMO. But how about the remaining 11 universes... Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. I didn't find GT to be that bad mostly because I had the english subs, too. If anything it should be considered a sidestory/what if and nothing more. Some people watch and see no difference whatsoever between Z and GT. --TheDarkAss. But then again, if he could use his SSJG powers in SSJ, why did he go SSJ3? I really thought Dragon Ball GT was canon but then after watching the newest  movies i was like they brought in super saiyan god but skipped super saiyan 4( which was in GT). And although it could be canon to the anime, it has some stuff that contradicts dragon ball Z, and that's why some people don't consider canon at all.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 18:46, January 5, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96. Dragon Ball FighterZ has been a revelation for fans of both fighting games and the Dragon Ball series of manga and anime. Akira Toriyama has designed the most of characters and designs of DB online. Out of 37 different individuals Goku could fight throughout DBZ (and this is excluding transformations), 42 if you include the Garlic jr saga, Goku only beats 7 of them (9 in the Saiyan saga, 9 in the Frieza saga, 13 in the Cell saga, 6 in the Buu saga). Bloody double standards, all of you. Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. [with permission of the original manga Author, of course: Akira Toriyama :+], & concerning Son Gokū Jr. being a 'wussy cry-baby' in the GT special, "A Hero's Legacy" : http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48103659668/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-my-father-gohan-trained, [ http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48104101347/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-goku-jr-transforms-into-a :+], Gokū Jr. wasn't a 'wussy cry-baby'.. Gokū Jr. was a Pure Hearted loner[Kamehameha - Hawaiian for "the very lonely one/the one set-apart", a hermit is also someone who lives in solitude :+] who was frequently bullied.. he [at first] lacked the courage to stand up for what was right/did not believe in himself like his Great2x GrandFather, Son Gokū Sr... Gokū Jr. was relying on the power of the Dragon Balls to help his GrandMother Pan, also his newly made friend[once bully], Puck, rather than having courage & believing in himself.. at the end of the special, he realizes his Legacy, thanks to Gokū Sr., who reminds him that it was his Courage & Love that opened the right doors. But actually it is non canon. In Battle of Gods, Goku manages to use his SSJG powers in SSJ form, so it would explain why he didn't actually use the SSJG form itself. That's because Dragon Ball GT isn't official canon in the overarching Dragon Ball world or story. Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball story may have finished in 1996 but, sensing there was still money to be made, a third anime series was put into development. As such, you can call it anime canon. Are you a fan of Dragon Ball GT or does the series get under your nerves? 2. GT isn't considered canon because it's impossible for it to happen and has a wide range of plot holes (I think you forgot that alot of character designs for GT came from Toriyama). In Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F', they are just children instead of old hags in the GT series. Dragon Ball GT may be one of the franchise’s more controversial series, but Toriyama appears to have given his blessing to the series. Akira toriyama who wrote dragon ball and dragon ball Z, didn't write GT. Personally, I can't find it in myself to stand for it. Post New Message; First; Previous; Page . this game is honestly fanservice. Vegeta even achieves  超サイヤ人 transformation-state due to the thought that a 'low-level piece of trash' could ever surpass him.. xD. I personally think of BOG as canon, but GT as non-Canon. Overall, he beats Nappa, Vegeta, Recoome, Burter, Frieza, Yakon and Buu. Now, it is up for fans to decide whether they’ll add it to their personal canon or not. Therefore, there is a need to fix it. GT is a side story, it happened but it didn't really matter since the story really ended with the buu saga, Gt is like an epilogue if you will. Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are the main two series. BlueMew1234 (talk) 18:35, January 16, 2014 (UTC)BlueMew1234. It wasn't a retcon because the source never gave Goku's full backstory. Add to Favourites. The question is do I believe DBGT is canon; No. But Toriyama has stated that all of the Dragon Ball Franachise (This includes GT) has happened, just in another dimension. Dragon Ball GT can either be considered canon or non canon, it is up to you. Therefore, it would have literally millions of protagonists solving the same story, making every single one of those a what-if. 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